Weekly Jobless Claims came in better than expected, but the worse than expected ADP report yesterday is probably going to keep traders nervous about the big Jobs Report tomorrow. I've warned before about the unreliable connection between the ADP Employment Report and the big Jobs Report, but evidently the ADP folks have recently revamped their survey methodology to drastically reduce the variance between their report and the government report. In the first 11 months of 2008 the ADP numbers missed the government numbers by an average of 154k. But in December they got the variance all the way down to 20k. I don't know if the methodology will hold or not, but that would mean the ADP report is predicting a loss of close to 700k jobs in the government report tomorrow, which is much larger than the expected loss of 500k jobs.
The bottom line is that earnings and employment trends continue to be the worry of the market. Traders will be focusing on the layoff announcements during the earnings reports more than they have in a long time. The market is probably going to hear all kinds of news about mergers, acquisitions, layoffs, and uncertainty in forward guidance this earnings season.
Speaking of acquisitions, SWIM is being acquired by TD Ameritrade.....
Back to the market.....many of you saw me play puts on SPY, DIA, and XLE yesterday. I locked in partial gains of 12% - 17% and kept part of the positions for a possible further move today, which it looks like we are going to get. I also commented in VC about multiple other opportunities for puts. If the market has a full move today, then we could see a drop on SPY (as a market proxy) down to 88, but I think 89 is a more conservative initial target. Either way, the market (SPY) has a good probability of cracking down through 90.
Here is a chart of the SPY:
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The formal stop on puts would be a move above 92.50, but I really don't want to see the market get above 90.75. My first target is the 88 - 89 area, and if the market gets through 88, then the next target is the 85.50 - 86 area.
Remember, their is a very real desperation on the part of Fund Managers to have a good start to 2009. So they will look at any absence of bad news as good news, and they will look at any bad news that isn't dramatically beyond catastrophic as good news. So it's very important to watch the charts and go with the consensus, regardless of the logic behind the move.
7:45 am MT: Intra-day Update: The first little intra-day battle is going on right at 90, just as I speculated from yesterday during VC. You can see that this morning is a continuation gap on the 15m charts of the SPY (yesterday was the breakaway gap on the 15m charts). So the gap needs to hold in order for the morning to get some more selling. If the gap closes, then we could get some consolidation for half the day before the next move. I want to see a drop below 90 right now for a nice early continuation of the rollover. I still speculate that we will have a move down to 89 today, but as always, we shall see.....
7:55 am MT: Intra-day Update: SPY just punched through 90, so off we go.....
12:45 pm MT: Intra-day Update: The market has stayed fairly range-bound today. I spoke about the concept that traders would only take this rollover so far and then they would just sit and hang out and hope for a less than end-of-the-world Jobs Report. Yesterday I thought it was going to be 90 on SPY, this morning I thought is was going to be 89, so I guess it's only fitting that it ended up being in the middle at 89.67. The market is in a Rectangle on the 15m charts, but the desperately bullish Bulls are trying to make a little bit of a push right now. I keep emphasizing the importance of realizing that the Bulls are in mortal anguish to keep the market afloat in the first part of 2009.
Here is an updated 15m chart of SPY:
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If the Rectangle breaks to the downside, then we might see the 89 target I was speculating on this morning. If the Rectangle breaks to the upside then the Bulls will throw a mini-party and then start hoping (desperately) for a less than catastrophic Employment Report tomorrow. This will be entertaining to watch if nothing else.....
12:57 pm MT: The Bulls keep trying to get through resistance on the 15m Rectangle I just posted, but they can't close the deal. They only have 3 more minutes. This is always hilarious for me to watch because it's all just a goofy emotional game on the part of so many traders. Now they're down to 2 minutes and they still haven't done it.....I won't be surprised if some Fundy comes along and pushes the market through the intra-day resistance. Alright, now we're down to 1 minute.....
1:00 pm MT: Here we go now, I thought some Fundy would come along and try to push it through on the next 15m candle, although I think the push will probably be weak and fail. I'm not a buyer of anything right now, there's too much risk ahead of the Jobs Report, but like I said, it's always entertaining for me to watch the FuFu's get all frantic at some little price point intra-day. I've had enough of this for now, I'll watch and see if the Bears manage to take us back down to the low end of the range into the close.....
Well you know the "independent spirit is what drives America's most successful investors." Interesting...
ReplyDeleteTDAmeritrade acquisition should bring more students into the IT program and that's a good thing overall wouldn't you all say?
ReplyDeleteFutures trying to poke back up to 90 as I type. Watching for another SPY put opportunity.
Francis
Picked up a couple of contracts: SPY FEb $90 Puts for $4.90; target 89/88 Stop at 90.75 for a quick swing trade.
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Francis-also picked up SPY puts @ 5.35. Target 89.50/89. I am able to watch so no stop.
ReplyDeleteLaurie, Gary and Christina-what did ya'll see to hold your positions overnite?
Margo
Did everyone notice (on the SPY) that really crazy tick at 10:30 a.m eastern? I thought it was ironic that the price action acted like that right at the $90 level. The candle just happened to go as high up to the 30 day MA and bounced right down. hmmm a typo or a desperate hedge fund manager?!?! we shall see..... ok, now Spy is getting a little bounce, Denise
ReplyDeletep.s. SHLD apparently had good earnings this morning.
Are you guys see the downtrend line being broken on the Spy 5 min charts?
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ReplyDeleteMargo,
ReplyDeleteI sold most of my positions in DIA and SPY because it reached the first target areas and I want to lock down profit, but I kept 1 SPY because on the 15 min chart, it looked like it was setting up for a bear flag and it didn't close above my downtrend line. I also decided to keep my puts on NSC because rails were weak yesterday and it was close to reaching my first target of $46.70, which I missed getting out of first thing this morning because my kids were not being cooperative :)
SPY at my Stop Loss, sold my contracts at $4.40 for a 50cents loss or $100.
ReplyDeleteDoesn't look like the traders want to see a further drop from yesterday like Dwight was saying in VC yesterday. I'll take my lumps and follow my rules. Sure, it might drop again later but I can't deny the higher highs and lows on the 2m's and 5mins, plust the futures are trending upwards.
Good trading all.
Francis
I just spoke with an accounts person at TOS and she said that Investools will also be going over to TD, and the name will probably change, but nothing will change until the merger in June. Let's hope they don't mess up the structure or our great teachers.
ReplyDeleteI cannot trade until my accounts are rolled over to my new account.
Wishing everyone a very profitable day!
Gina
Tightened my stop this morning when SPY broke 89, had an OCO for 89.20 and 90.50. Had a decent gain on the trade. Looking for the next opportunity.
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Hi All
ReplyDeleteGot a question regarding break-away and continuation gaps. If the continuation gap gets filled like on the SPY today - does that then signal a reversal?
I exited my SPY put on the gap down this am for a 21% profit. I then entered another put at 10:55am at what I thought was a shooting star, we'' see.
good day all
Also entered ABX call at 10:20am eastern time at bounce of retest.
Good Moves Claudia!
ReplyDeleteBullion has bounced off support area of $835 and senior producers responded to that plus the USDX dropping.
Nibbled 1 cntrct GG April $27.50 Call but giving this one more time to work itself out.
Heh, SPY turned around again now just to P me off!! Oh well. I've used my 3 day trade quota so I can't play any more until my 5 days are passed, good grief.
Francis
Hi All,
ReplyDeleteBoy, you guys are agile. I wanna get to your speed (one step at a time).
Gonna go get index cards right now & learn these candlestick patterns--by heart. Then backtest/learn along with Gap Theory.
I'm off to (help) Walmart (stock--a little)...
Good Trading...
Scott L Nashville
Wonder who's included in the "inevitable job losses" with the Ameritrade acquisition?
ReplyDeleteSWIM stock sure got a shot in the arm today following a long drop from year high of $17.
Scott, Watch to see if $50 holds as support for WMT.
Francis
looks like they don't want to let the SPY go under 90. I just sold one of my 2 SPY puts for 3% profit I'm b/e on the other put at this point - will wait and see if we stay or move up above 90.50 I will sell the other one
ReplyDeleteLooks like there could be another leg down on NSC. MHS calls holing at support!
ReplyDeleteGary, good on your NSC profitable situ.
ReplyDeleteDo you think the selling pressure is easing though?
Doji/spinning top forming on the 30 day MA which is looking like acting as support?
I'm sure you've tightened your stops already?!
Francis
Wedge forming on the 5's. Break of this leading to 89? We'll see...
ReplyDeleteGood job everyone.
Joe
I am holding my SPY just to see what the price action is doing so I don't dart in and out.
ReplyDeleteHate to admit bought a SPY call @ 4.95 because it cleared $90 ? :) ?.
Christina-thanks. Always hope for kids-they may be great traders one day!! Mamma's retirement? LOL
Margo
Gary, I just took out 1/2 of my NSC at $46.68.
ReplyDeleteMargo - yes, my hope is to teach my kids how to trade so they don't have to depend on a paycheck or face layoffs etc... but first I have to master this craft before I dare teach anyone :) The good news is I have time since my oldest is only 7 1/2 years old.
Christina
Hey gang,
ReplyDeleteKind of range bound, huh? I sold my NYX put for 15.5% and DIA put for 22%. I picked up a SPY 91P @ 9 CST. Looks like Dwight's 90.75 was spot on. We'll see what happens this p.m. Claudia, I tend to agree with your 90.50. We'll see how things look.
Margo,
Why I held? I liked the fact that NYX (bot @28.60)had gapped down & closed below 28 which had been a support area. I'd had a target of 27.50 and sold today when it dropped just below that.
On the DIA - it also gapped down and closed below the white candle of 1/2/09 on the daily. I sold when it didn't want to cross the 30dma.
Also, I considered that the same stores sales report would pull the mkts. down at least at the open. Too, since I have only one position each and can't halve them and sell off, I avoided the dreaded D Trade words.
Nice trades everybody!
Thanks Francis
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aBX got a target of 35
Gary
nice job on NSC, I am also still holding MHS , looks like it is on it's way North - finally - I best not speak too soon I have a target of 45
Laurie,
Nice job on NYX and DIA - yes I a still holding one call on SPY but if we go much above 90.50 I;m out.
Francis,
ReplyDeleteI sold NSC yesterday (62%) but I think it may have some downside left in it. I was considering hitting it again. Did you look at MHS holding support after ascending triangle break out!
Just picked up some SPY calls with the break of the wedge, target is 89.10.
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I just picked up more SPY puts at $89.93.
ReplyDeleteJoe, did you really buy a call on SPY or did you buy a put?
Christina
PUTS..ahh..haha. I never read these things after I type them.
ReplyDeleteJoe
Gina,
ReplyDeleteThanks for your input!You should get some emails from TOS and IT regarding the merger, as well.
Francis,
I imagine the job casualties will be in the office/sales force. They'll need their coaches more than ever! Hopefully, they'll add more servers, too. Pssst, I think Scott was going to WMT to buy his index cards, thus helping the stock. We are focused traders!
Thanks, Claudia.
We're thinking puts, at least on the SPY! I'm with you, Joe. 89.08-half that big white candle from 12/16
Francis, Laurie... I Love you guys already! :-D
ReplyDeleteYes Thanks Laurie for the elbow nudge!!! I realised what I pillock I am for thinking Scott was trading WMT as opposed to trading money for index cards stock inside Walmart!
ReplyDeleteTeach me to read properly...duh!!
Boy this SPY is kindof range bound; anyone make money from today's trades on it?
Welldone Gary on your ChooChoo Put profits!! Hope you're all out now?
Francis
You're a good sport, Francis! To answer, no $$, the SPYDR's got me in its web with a small loss thus far. I'm not inclined to hold it over unless a certain someone recommends!
ReplyDeleteDenise,
Yeah, there have been some strange shadows for the last several months that appear on the charts. I don't know if it's a data error, or a sell off, but it's a little disconcerting!
Claudia,
Looks like your ABX is hanging in there. Nice trade!
Well Francis the little profits I had on my SPY puts have been erased by the small losses when I re-entered at 1:25. i EXITED AT $90.50 BUT GOT RIGHT BACK IN WHEN IT HIT RESISTANCE AND WENT SOUTH - I will wait and see what happens.
ReplyDeleteI took 9% profit on ABX as it looked like it was breaing to the downside of a symmetrical triangel on the 5" charts....then it turned around and continued up - aybe I am watching the charts too much :)
Thanks Laurie - I did make a small profit on ABX - better small then none at all
Well done Claudia!
ReplyDeleteSeems to have been a challenge to make decent money on the SPY's just within today, so we needn't be too hard on ourselves!
Nibbled 1 Contract of GILD Feb $47.50 Calls on basis of intra day double bounce off the strike price and 2min and 5 min candles now showing higher high and low.
If tomorrow confirms uptrend then will buy more but wanted to nibble in a little early to keep costs down.
Say, 33 comments must be a record on this blog; too bad we can't chat like we can on VC!
Francis
Claudia - Take a peek at ABX on the 10 day/30" chart. I saw support at 32.21 :)
ReplyDeleteI agree Laurie with ABX.
ReplyDeleteOn the daily's we have a Bullish Harami candle forming on a confirming bounce of the uptrending 30 day MA.
Still looks good for an entry Claudia for a swing trade.
Francis
Like Laurie, I got tangled in the SPY web as well and took my small .15 loss on all my contracts. Taking small losses is my goal for 2009.
ReplyDeleteI'm flat now going into tomorrow's jobs report.
I am going to be late for VC tonight, would someone mind taking notes on what the master says? Thanks a bunch!
Christina
Apparently the market liked my single hannded "Walmart Stimulis" (went down & bought a 100-pack of index cards @ 1:15pm).
ReplyDelete10 minutes after my purchase, WMT on the 5m bounced off support & hasn't looked back since.
Just doing my part...
SL of Nashville
SPY-call
ReplyDeleteBOT on large white candle at noon eastern.
SOLD at 2:30 eastern
Entry-on large white candle
Target $90.5
Exit-at $90.22-seemed it couldn't
quite get there
WHAM-headed north after I sold it!!
Loss only $10.
Any ideas on holding SPY puts overnite?
Margo
I have SPY puts, but I hesitate to keep them all over night. I am hoping for selling at 3:30 pm or so. It seems to be rolling over now, but it has snaked around all day. Exhausting to watch this sometimes. Worth it when you get it right though!
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Rachel
Go Bears!!!
ReplyDeletehere come the Torros Desperados!
ReplyDeleteGood luck all!
Francis
Arriba, arriba, andale, andale!
ReplyDeletePicked up a Feb 17.50 call on MEE. Low underlying but a nice option. Also, I'm doing the APOL dance right now so I may have to celebrate before VC. have to run so I'll see you tonight.
ReplyDeleteGary
Laurie,
ReplyDeleteCan you explain how you negotiated with Investools? What were the magic words?
Thanks
Don
Don,
ReplyDeleteMy two cents... but a friend of mine is negotiating with them right now and they're a little soft right now. A bird in the hand thing, I guess.
Laurie, Christina, Don, Denise, etc...
I feel so stupid! I thought I teed everybody off 'cause nobody was replying to my posts on VC... DUHHH?
Don,
ReplyDeleteSorry, I'm late (phone call).I'm not sure of your subscription level, but when we bought initially at associate, the sales folks pressed us for a higher level. No magic words; we hemmed and hawed and just said that we might consider adding some things a la carte, like coaching, or trading rooms, but didn't want to pay more. Tell them you've got to think about it, and they'll call back with a better offer! They've got wiggle room. You can do it, Don.
Sorry, Gary
ReplyDeleteThat must have been frustrating!
Christina,
You're pretty slick getting out with .15 loss on SPY. I'll get to see if I'm nimble in the a.m.
You said you'd be late this p.m. Not sure when you got in VC. Do you remember the topic Dwight was covering? It was a good lesson. I know you got the Timp tops 'cause you commented.
I'm not sure about me in V.C. Fri. Family's calling again - at least no funeral this time! I'll try to make it.
Thanks Laurie. I got into VC about 30 min late. Dwight was commenting on the different scenarios that could happen as a result of the jobs report. Was there anything I missed in the first 30 min?
ReplyDeleteGary - you are too funny! I think only Dwight sees your comments when you send it to 'panelists'. Congrats on your NSC trade. I closed all NSC puts today for an avg 42% profit :) Snoopy dance!
Christina,
ReplyDeleteNicely done on NSC! I got in to VC a little late, 15 min? I think Dwight was just "ramping up" as he likes to say. Maybe he commented on a few sector stocks in gold, biotech, steel, coal, cyclicals, and he reviewed my NYX trade before you arrived. Then he discussed the jobs # ramifications as I recall.
There, this'll make it an even 50!
Thanks for yesterday's update Laurie!
ReplyDeleteChristina