Pre-market futures are down sharply, especially on the Naz, due to earnings news from CSCO. The big tech company announced the first revenue decline in 5 years and is trading down over .80 cents pre-market. TM also announced disappointing earnings. Both CSCO and TM were companies that were outperforming in their industries, so the earnings announcements are bringing some selling in the markets. Traders should get used to the idea that the recessionary conditions will eventually reach through to most companies to one extent or another, but for now they're acting a little surprised.
The selling this morning follows through on the rollover from yesterday's post election-day selling. The Dow will probably reach down into the 9,000 area on the first initial thrust this morning. At that point I will watch for a little wiggle. So we may get a gap, run, and pop. If we do, then I will probably be viewing any wiggle back or intra-day upswing as another put buying opportunity. Any wiggle early in the day is a put buying opportunity to me. If the wiggle comes right out of the gate, and we don't go much above the gap or the 1/3 point of yesterday's candle on the Dow before rolling over intra-day, then I will view that as a supreme put buying opportunity. I will be selling most of the puts that I entered yesterday into the gap this morning and then getting ready to re-load if the opportunity presents itself.
The down swing that confirmed yesterday could have legs for another 1-2 days, especially if the Employment Report tomorrow morning comes out worse than expected. However, I won't be surprised if traders are pricing in "catastrophic" numbers both yesterday and today. This whole rollover appears to be driven partly by employment trends, partly by earnings, and partly by election results, or the 3 E's as I like to call them, which should not to be confused with the 3 Amigos who had a singing bush to guide them through perilous times.....
As always, we shall see.....
11:30 am MT: The market decided on door number 2 that I described above as a "supreme put buying opportunity." The market wiggled right out of the gate and the DIA went right to the other side of the gap before throwing a Doji on the 5m charts. It was a beautiful thing. There was a second nice opportunity for puts on the next Bear Flag on the 5m charts about 30m later.
Right now I am watching the Dow in the 8,700 area at the mid-point of the long candle on October 28. At this point I can see the possibility of a counter move back to test the 8,900 - 9,000 area intra-day. It's possible that we get all the way to 8,600, which is the far end of the 8,600 - 8,800 support zone, but you would want to be very nimble right here if you were trying to squeeze out what was potentially the last dollar in the DIA on this current intra-day downswing.
This is the next test of the intermediate term bottoming process. The price action is suggesting just what I posted above: the market is pricing in "catastrophic" for the Employment Report tomorrow, traders are also concerned about the recessionary conditions catching up to even the strongest of companies (CSCO), and the market is concerned about what the election results will mean to the capital markets next year. Time will tell what policies are proposed, and whether they are pro-capitalism or anti-capitalism. I talked about the most important of the policies in the first quarter next year in the Open House Spotlight (the last 10 minutes), which is the Energy Policy of the new government. Other policies will be important as well, but the one that will have the biggest impact right away is dealing with the potential for rising energy prices if the market takes a bullish leg up next year. If we get a bullish turnaround in the economy, but energy prices rise too quickly on worldwide demand and a lack of sufficient supply, then the rise in energy prices (inflation) will put a cap on the bullish economy. That has the potential for moving us towards the dreaded "s" word, stagflation, where the economy contracts but inflation rises on supply constraints.
As for the Employment Report tomorrow morning, we will need to see a pretty big miss at this point to further implode the market, because we are pricing in a pretty bad report right now.....
12:00 pm MT: Just a quick follow-up to the above post. The market is trying to bounce just as a wrote about 30m ago. Watch for a test in the 8,900 area. We may undershoot or overshoot, but this could be the counter move on the 60m charts. We shall see.....
Thursday, November 6, 2008
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We appreciate you, Dwight!
ReplyDeleteWanting to chase things is very difficult.
ReplyDeleteDwight, when we run fast and hard right out of the gate, how do you when to chase or when to wait?
I watched rimm, clf, and some others just keep dropping so I bought a rimm put and it went up the very second i bought it.
Is that something that if you are not experienced enough that you should never chase and wait for the setup? I will ask again on vc tonight.
Thanks
Got out my DIA put from early yesterday for a nice 67% gain. Wish I could have ridin it down a bit farther, but had class and got out at 90. I'm not complaining!
ReplyDeleteSteve,
When something like that happens, take a very small position. Then, when a bounce occurs get in for some more. Keep a close eye on support on the 30's and 60's because if it's dropping fast because that's probably where it's heading.
Joe
Good on you Joe and Steve!
ReplyDeleteFrancis
Anybody singing Tom Petty?
ReplyDeleteWhat's everyone doing right now? We just keep sinking and sinking. Waiting to hit some support then I'm thinking of actually getting into some index calls.. Risky, but we'll see.
ReplyDeleteJoe
Good idea Joe. I stayed with rimm then sold for profit, bought spy made $$ there and just got back in when it broke 91.00. Everything else seems 2b stalling. Should pick back up here now that lunch is over.
ReplyDeleteWay to go Joe! I did puts on DIA today and did good! Am quitting for the day! Want to keep my profits.
ReplyDeleteSteve, keep listening to Dwight's VC and this blog-it will help you alot.
Keep singin' Laurie!!
Margo
Joe,
ReplyDeletenice profit on those DIA puts. I got in and out of SPY puts today with 8% , 10% and 13% profit - i've been kind of keeping an eye on the 13day & 30day MA's like you mentioned the other day and using the 30" and 60" charts for S&R. I know what you mean about clearer yet broader although today has been just going south.
yes, Steve I know what you mean about chasing - it has helped me tremendously to just stick with the index ETF's for that reason alone.
Laurie,
I agree - we can't thank Dwight enough right
Francis -
I think I finally understand what you pointed to on the futures - thanks
best of trading everyone!
Dwight, great to hear from you during the day!
ReplyDeleteGot out of my spy puts at breakeven. Looks like we are bouncing off 900.
Thanks guys..
ReplyDeleteGreat job Steve, Margo, and Claudia!
Just wanted to point out the great call opportunities in Consumer Staples. I'm currently looking at BG, HSY, CL, PG, and CLX. I really like BG though.
Also, I've been playing the index options more because they are so much easier than going to actual stocks. BUT, there is so much more potential out there with stocks. For example, I was looking into BNI and decided to go with DIA for a put yesterday. If I would have gone BNI I would have made almost 3 times as much!
I'm probably done for the day. Waiting till tomorrow with the Employment Report.
Joe
hey guys
ReplyDeleteis this a wiggle up or a change in direction - re SPY?
Joe, as with everything in life, more risk more reward. I agree on the stock plays but it also seems harder to pick the right one as well wich makes it even more difficult.
ReplyDeleteA little easier when you get a short list from Dwight.
Hopefully we will see or hear from him more throughout the day soon.
It should be an interesting last
hour of the day.
Wonderful trades today Steve, Joe, Claudia and Margo!
ReplyDeleteI was referencing the Tom Petty song "Free Falling" in my earlier post.
Made 15% on my DIA put. I bought a SPY call awhile ago that I plan to hold over (before I read Dwight's last post). I hope my purchase is not premature.
Steve, I also like the liquidity of the DIA and the SPY, especially the SPY. The spreads change faster and tend to be narrower. Plus, as you said, if you're short on stock search time, they're easier to jump into.
Joe, I've got your 13/30 setup in a study. Thanks, I'll give it a try. I know some IT trend stock traders use the 20/40. I think Dwight uses the 20 alone?
Hey, where are Francis and Gary today? and Denise?
Have a good rest of the day, everyone!
Hi Laurie,
ReplyDeleteBeen watching quietly.
Since exiting my put didn't get back in again in time to enjoy the further ride down.
Decided to take another punt with the SPY Dec $90 call this time on the basis of it being at Support levels $90 area ( half way of the big up candle from 7 days ago) from which it bounced a few times this pm.
This may be premature after only 2 big candles down today and yesterday but I'm experimenting with the entry point and going with Dwights comment about the market already pricing in a bad Employment no.
We'll see tomorrow if I add a contract or stop out!
Francis
Whew..
ReplyDeleteWhat a day, huh?
Did end up getting into a call at around 2:30 with the bounce on the 30's. Set an OCO with a tight stop and a timed stop for 5m before the close because I didn't want to hold overnight with tomorrow's numbers in the morning (I adore you guys that are holding overnight - Laurie and Francis!). Ended up losing $23, basically a scratch trade.
Joe
Hi Everyone,
ReplyDeleteSold my DE and LLL puts a little early today, but its nice to make some money. Should have held onto my DIA's, but holding overnight especially when you're staring at 40% isn't easy. Picked Dec calls on AAPL, APOL, YHOO (yes, YHOO) and USO.They're all pretty low risk because all ares sitting at one type of support or another. If the market sneezes I'll be out with minimal loss (different story if it catches pneumonia overnight). Seems like we're all hitting it pretty good though.Nice trading everyone. See ya in 10 minutes.
Gary
Anyone else having trouble signing into the options virtual coaching sess=ion tonight?
ReplyDeleteYes I'm having trouble and IT isn't answering the phone.
ReplyDeletegary
ReplyDeleteyes I'm on hold right bow and have been cause chat is not working - they must be having some tech problems - not good for us - I'll let you know if i get an answer
Fary here;s the link
ReplyDeleteFrom: Bob Kernan
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 5:06 PM
To: Customer Service; PTAll
Cc: Adam Hostetter, CMT
Subject: Virtual Coaching Options
The info for this session is missing on the site. It is up and running, however, students can’t login. Here is a link to the session until we determine what the problem is.
BK
https://investools.webex.com/investools/onstage/g.php?t=a&d=574158051
I talked w/ IT support use the following link to bypass the normal system.
ReplyDeletehttps://investools.webex.com/investools/onstage/g.php?t=a&d=574158051
In case you have problems getting into Dwight's VC session tonight on investools, here is the link
ReplyDeletehttps://investools.webex.com/investools/onstage/g.php?t=a&d=574158051
Gary - sorry about the typo
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