Thursday, February 12, 2009

Market Rolls Down

Pre-market futures down this morning on a couple of earnings reports. When Retail Sales was announced as better than expected the futures came back a little. In addition, Weekly Jobless Claims, which is the most important number of the day, came out worse than expected. Initially the Bulls acted like it was a mini-party that the Jobs number was only slightly catastrophic (in their minds), but eventually they realized that continuing to lose over 600k jobs a week is going to have a negative effect on their "quick recovery" hopes. As a result, futures faded off again and the market is probably going to gap down at the open.

The price action on yesterday's pause was a Rectangle on the intra-day charts. The gap down at the open will take the market about half-way down the Rectangle, but not through support at 7,850 on the Dow. A drop below 7,830 or so will raise the probability for a leg down to 7,750 intra-day, and open the door for a move to 7,500 eventually.

Here is an intra-day chart of the Dow (15m chart) showing the Rectangle (blue lines):
(click on image to enlarge)


Here is a daily chart of the SPX:
(click on image to enlarge)


A move back above 8,000 on the Dow and the 15m chart Rectangle morphs into a Triple-Bottom and I'm standing back from puts. A move above 8,100 and I'm contemplating calls, even if I don't pull the trigger right away.

If the SPX drops through 820 it has a probability of fading off to 805. The Dow and SPX are not much in synch with each other right now as far as price points go, so I'm tending to favor price points on the Dow and daily chart patterns on the SPX. So the Dow numbers I wrote in the last paragraph are driving my decision more than the SPX. The problem that I have is that KO announced earnings this morning and is up 3% pre-market, which will give the Dow a bigger boost than the overall market.

My short-term bias is still to the downside, and as long as I don't go above 8,100 on the Dow and 850 on the SPX it will remain to the downside. However, a move above 8,000 on the Dow and 840 - 845 on the SPX and I'm pulling way back on puts and re-assessing for whether or not my drop dead areas hold.

Pre-market Update: I just checked the futures and they are continuing to fade off, so it looks like the gap down at the open is going to be closer to the bottom of the intra-day Rectangle. This may be the day that leads to the drop to 7,750 (minimum) on the Dow.

Therefore, I'm still looking for 7,750 (and eventually 7,500) on the Dow as the higher probability scenario, we shall see.....

12:00 pm MT: Intra-day Update: The market gapped and popped a bit this morning (after testing 7,725), which wasn't out of the ordinary for the feisty (?, hopeful?, the market is oversold?, please oh please?) Bulls. I picked off some puts right near the intra-day high test of 7,850 and have been riding them down through the mid-day. So far I'm up about 13% on the puts intra-day.

There's not much to do but let this ride. I'm willing to give the puts a chance since the Dow has entered the void between 7,850 and 7,500. I will probably lock down a little of the puts back in the 7,725 - 7,750 area (if we get there in the next little while), but I'm going to keep some of the puts to see if the ride down continues.

We may get a bullish reaction down in these areas since the market has been very reluctant to stay down in the lowest regions of the Beardicat Zone for very long - hence the profit-taking on a couple of the puts, but I'm still open to the possibility that this ride continues on down to 7,500.

12:17 pm MT: Intra-day Update: The market just bumped up a bit, so the Bulls and Shorts are not going to let this go back down to the lows of the day (if we do see the lows of the day again) until later in the day. It will be interesting to see if the Bulls toss in the towel in the last hour and the market sells into the close. If we don't get a weak close, then I don't want to hold any puts overnight. If we do get a weak close, then I am going to hold about 1/3 of my puts overnight.

12:44 pm MT: Intra-day Update: Looks like that bump was just a goofy little head-fake. The market took a nose dive right afterwards. I'm guessing it was either an amateur Fundy or a nervous Short that caused the bump. Whatever the cause, when the Dow hit 7,730 I locked in part of my put profits for a 15.5% gain (so far). It looks like 7,725 might not hold, so I will sell a little more of my puts on the next leg down. My next intra-day target is 7,675 to take a little more of my profits.

12:53 pm MT: Intra-day Update: 7,725 didn't hold, so down we go.....

28 comments:

  1. Dwight:
    Thanks!
    Robert
    CANI_212

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  2. Thanks Dwight. Good trading everyone.
    Garrett

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  3. Thank u Dwight.

    I am looking at GDX call but as we were taught(brilliantly-I may add)
    training my brain to be checked in or out.

    Happy Trading,

    Margo

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  4. GDX-not call material now. Looking at DIA or SPY. Being nimble.

    Margo

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  5. Dwight,
    FYI - I tossed my ILMN for a .10 loss and a graceful exit. I want to learn to trade like you - not learn to wait on a stock to move!

    This a.m., I looked through yesterday's order history and I did everything correctly, the order just never filled at b/e. Apparently the powers that be weren't convinced ILMN was going to make a move up either.

    Thanks for the counsel/clarity.

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  6. Dwight

    Thanks for the update.
    I held som IWM and QQQQ puts overnight and enjoyed the gap

    Ken B

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  7. Hi All

    Added XLU and SPY puts on the recent pullback, now we sill sit and watch closely!

    Good trading all

    Ken B

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  8. Anyone looking for a put on the DIA with the pull back to the 78.25 area? Already sold off the 1 put I had left over when the DIA hit 77.50.

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  9. Garrett,

    Are you able to SKYPE this morning?


    Margo

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  10. Yup Margo how do I go about finding you guys?
    Thanks Garrett

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  11. Hello all,
    I held on to some SPY and DIA puts overnight. I locked on one third when the Dow touched 7750. I'm considering picking more up now that the Dow is bumping up on 7800 resistance. Any thoughts or help?!
    Thanks,
    Scott from Elgin

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  12. Is this price action DIA on SPY making anyone else really nervous?! We are almost to resistance and my puts are nearing stop loss. Thoughts?

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  13. There are some candlesticks at
    http://www.candlestickchart.com/indicators/bullish.html and
    http://www.candlestickchart.com/indicators/bearish.html

    good trading to all,
    ilona

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  14. Rachel, yes, I'm nervous on the SPY and DIA puts, is this where we check out?

    ilona

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  15. I got out or my DIA and SPY puts when a 15 min candle closed above 7800. I got back in after the Dow rolled over at 7850. So far so good
    Scott

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  16. Hi All

    I am thinking about puts in DE

    Ken B

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  17. Okay i have gotten whipsawed on each of my swing trades today.. what am I doing wrong?

    1: I have been whipsawed by USO on false trendline breakouts to the downside. 4 times today.

    2: I've been whipsawed by DIA buying puts to hedge my other positions today.. each time buying in order to have the market immediately turn around on me.

    example trades on DIA:
    bot puts at 10:20 and 12:15 on breaks of trend and then 8k, both went against me and I sold for losses.

    example trades on USO:
    bought puts at 10:15 and 12:15 on breaks of trend support, only to get whipsawed again.
    I also tried buying a put at the peak of upper trendline at 10:45, which worked for about 15 minutes till it too went against me.

    I'm using the 1 day 5 minute charts, seeing the overall trend for both dia and uso is down, and trying to hedge with these puts to protect my other positions.

    Thus far I've lost more on my hedges than I would have on naked long positions.

    Help!

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  18. Scott E, Ilona, Rachel,
    If you would like to throw your lot in with some Dwight followers for some trade chatting, then feel free to join us on SKYPE. No pressure.

    If you're interested, email Gary at bodyboy@comcast.net and look at the previous day or two's comments for help in getting started with SKYPE.

    Good trades to all!
    Laurie

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  19. Scott E: (and a lot of the rest of you) - very nice job on your puts today. Yes Scott, dead on correct with the offloading the puts in the 7,750 zone and re-loading the puts in the 7,850 zone, very nicely done.

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  20. Kevin: When I get a chance I will take a closer look at your swing trades. If you have VC then jump on tonight and bring those up. If you don't, I'll browse through your trades when I have a chance and write something up.

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  21. Dwight,

    Still above above 8100 on the dow for calls?

    Joe

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  22. Dwight called it. We got the announcement to drive the markets back up.

    Don

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  23. Don,
    And he says he's not NostraDwightus.

    He certainly is good at probabilities!

    We miss you on SKYPE, Don.
    Denise, the SKYPE queen, is trying to work on something that will work for the after-market hours users. Thanks for your patience. See you on VC.

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  24. Laurie,

    Thanks, I will try to get Skype working tonight at home.

    I was stopped out on AMEDc today for a small profit. Then it vaulted $2 above yesterday's close. Days like this and Tuesday kill me.

    Don

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  25. for any interested, here is what my misery looked like today:

    http://64.200.180.16/uso.png

    http://64.200.180.16/dia.png

    Even when I'm right, I'm getting it wrong on short term trades.

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  26. Feel your pain Kevin tryin to let it roll like a ducks back. See everyone in VC.

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  27. Ifeel your pain also Kevin. Not for nothing though, you took a shot!

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