The big X-factor in today's trading is the ISM Index, which will report 30m after the open this morning. If the numbers aren't catastrophic, the real Bulls may take back over the market. Most analysts are looking for a reading of 38.0, which is very low, and very recessionary. So even if we get a number around 40.0 - 41.0, it may not be enough to push the Dow above 8,830 - 8,850, which would be my stopping out area for puts.
Here is a chart of the Dow:
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You can see that a move above 8,850 would probably open the way for a move to 9,000 and then a surge into the 9,200 area. However, barring a great ISM number, and given the swing is probably ready to consolidate, I am looking for the Dow to reach down to 8,500 today, and then perhaps the 8,250 area in a downswing over the next several days. The SPX and the Naz are more at risk because those indexes are Intermediate Term Bearish, whereas the Dow is more Intermediate Term Neutral. The market still has to create a solid bottom from the sliding and crunching bottoming out process that it is fighting through. The SPX and Naz are still at risk for lower lows, which would be somewhat devastating to the Bulls.
For today, I am looking for puts. We'll see what happens with the ISM.....
4:30 pm MT: Market Wrap: Silly me.....I thought the Dow dropping to the 8,250 area would take a couple of days.....then I remembered the now, now, now world we live in and presto - we do it all in one day!
Ssssoooooooo, I was obviously playing puts all day. I had two nice "paper" trades on the DIA and SPY down to 8,500, and then again down to 8,250 just before the close. The Dow finished even lower at the close.
It's the usual for tomorrow. I nice wiggle out of the gate and I'm looking to re-load the puts for a move down to the 7,800 - 8,000 area. We'll see what tomorrow brings.....
Note: I was asked to do the Market Cast today, so if you just can't get enough of me, then you can indulge in my latest ramblings in that format today.
For today, I am looking for puts. We'll see what happens with the ISM.....
4:30 pm MT: Market Wrap: Silly me.....I thought the Dow dropping to the 8,250 area would take a couple of days.....then I remembered the now, now, now world we live in and presto - we do it all in one day!
Ssssoooooooo, I was obviously playing puts all day. I had two nice "paper" trades on the DIA and SPY down to 8,500, and then again down to 8,250 just before the close. The Dow finished even lower at the close.
It's the usual for tomorrow. I nice wiggle out of the gate and I'm looking to re-load the puts for a move down to the 7,800 - 8,000 area. We'll see what tomorrow brings.....
Note: I was asked to do the Market Cast today, so if you just can't get enough of me, then you can indulge in my latest ramblings in that format today.

Good Morning Everyone,
ReplyDeletePicked up some puts on ABT a little early Friday and am a few dollars behind right now. Also, waiting for a nice pullback on APOL that I didn't get either. RIMM looks like a double bottom, so I'd like to see how that plays also.
Good Luck!!
Gary
OOOPS!! That would be a descending triangle on RIMM.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the update Dwight. Still in my puts from a week ago, just because I watched them head higher and higher. So, I'm currently getting killed with theta, but saw the pullback coming sooner. Stupid mistake, but working through it. Will enter some puts with the first pullback today.
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Gary,
ReplyDeleteGood luck, today. What was the name of that site you check fin....?
Joe,
I, too, am holding my puts and looking for an exit. Looking better all the time. What a mercy!
Francis,
When do we begin to look at the ESH09 instead of Dec?
Laurie,
ReplyDeleteFinviz.com!!! Good luck to you too! Watching RIMM as it approaches 40 for puts!
MOrning all!
ReplyDeleteGood point Laurie, not sure when and which month takes over as the front month?
I see December is still trading but it would make sense to go out one more month.
I should ask a virtual coach about that and will report back.
Woke up later this am so didn't enter any puts yet, good trading with you all.
Francis
Laurie,
ReplyDeleteThat was 44 on RIMM, too much time off, I guess?
Bought spy puts on 84.50 break, target of 84.50 from wednesday.
ReplyDeleteLots of news out there ism 36.2 (26 year low), Obama speaking, Clinton new sec of state. Interesting stuff.
Sorry bought puts @ 85.50. As with Gary nice long weekend!
ReplyDeleteJust closed out of my puts from a week ago for a small loss. That's fine because I don't want to hold for the pullback because I want to enter some new positions. I'm tempted to pick up some calls with a VERY tight stop for a run up to around 8600 on the Dow. I'll probably just papertrade it. How's everyone doing?
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Hey Steve,
ReplyDeleteAre you trading the 5's?
Joe, yes, trading the 5's pretty much all the time. I just stopped out at breakeven on the 85.50 double tap after an equal low.
ReplyDeleteAlot of congestion at 84.50 to 85.00. Already down over 5% for the day so it might creep back 86.00 then drop again.
Anyway that is what I am looking at.
Hi Gang,
ReplyDeletePicked up APOL calls @ 74. I choked and missed RIMM puts today @ 44.25...DARN!!
Joe,
Fibs say 8300 on the DIA
That is the worst, stopped out to early. There was my 84.50 target!
ReplyDeleteThat is the hardest part for me. I dont want to lose $$ especially after being up a little.
Well, the DOW's holding the 8360 area as support. Looks like a little bullish breakaway pattern forming but not confirmed, on the DOW and the SPY 60's. I agree, Steve, on the break above 86 for any bullish action on the SPY. My put target's 83.65 although I may bail earlier if support keeps holding.
ReplyDeleteChristmas comes early?! Bernanke and Paulson both speaking today.
I got in later today, waiting for economic news and Obama to speak. I am holding call on SPY because it was moving up off of $85-note to myself-Dwight said puts today!!
ReplyDeleteHowever, got in SPY put and target was like Laurie, got out at target and made + 5%. Should have known Paulsen would have made the market go down more. I am making effort to get out at target no matter what!
Bought DIA put and got out at target. +5%
Will see how the SPY call goes.
Live and learn!!
I am trading more the 5's also, glad to hear some of you are too.
SteveC-there is always another renetry someplace and sometime. Your learning patience that's great!!
Margo
Margo, yes, that is why i like the 5's. Got in on the breakdown at the close.
ReplyDeleteGood job laurie!
Hey, Margo
ReplyDeleteGood for you in using discipline and exiting at your target. I held my 2nd put longer because the SPY pushed through my target and kept making lower lows. Tomorrow's a new day. I hope your call pays off for you!
Thanks, Steve
ReplyDeleteSometimes it works out no matter how hard you try to screw it up!
Good job everyone! Was figuring we'd have a day like this. Never entered any calls today, figured it wasn't worth it. Didn't trust the chart with the flat consolidation and didn't enter any puts with the break. My mistake.. What I'm seeing for tomorrow is some type of bounce right out of the gate or early on. 8300 is my target and I don't want to see it go much over 8400. Then I'm in some more puts for a target of 8000 and if we break that then 7800.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, I don't know how you guys use the 5's! There's too much going on there for me. I primarily use them for entries when I've determined what the longer time frames are doing.
Joe
Way to go Laurie!! Thanks for your post. Note to self:lower lows-thanks!!
ReplyDeleteJoe-I am hoping for the bounce tomorrow that you posted.
Don't sweat it-there is always another entry!!
Margo
Joe, I play the 5's the same way as any other time frame. Start with the daily's then higher or lower lows and hi's, candlestick patterns, breakouts, triangles, all that good stuff. Just quicker ins and outs.
ReplyDeleteCow burps, eh? Now, that's what I call technical... We have a lot of turkey burps at my house.
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